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:: {{reply_to|Podehaye}} erm, well, it is showing the source of this specific {{P|10}}-snak, so I think that makes it a qualifier, right? A property, that is being used as a qualifier? I think some properties (such as {{Q|1048}}) could apply either as a qualifier on a snak or as a property on an Item - whereas some properties like {{Q|1117}} would apply typically only as a qualifier upon a snak. Right? If I am using concepts incorrectly, please let me know - it's certainly possible I have the wrong mental model! [[User:Alexbfree|Alexbfree]] ([[User talk:Alexbfree|talk]]) 17:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
:: {{reply_to|Podehaye}} erm, well, it is showing the source of this specific {{P|10}}-snak, so I think that makes it a qualifier, right? A property, that is being used as a qualifier? I think some properties (such as {{Q|1048}}) could apply either as a qualifier on a snak or as a property on an Item - whereas some properties like {{Q|1117}} would apply typically only as a qualifier upon a snak. Right? If I am using concepts incorrectly, please let me know - it's certainly possible I have the wrong mental model! [[User:Alexbfree|Alexbfree]] ([[User talk:Alexbfree|talk]]) 17:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
::: {{reply_to|Alexbfree}} you got the mental model right, I think, but didn't notice that the {{Q|1048}} has a Q-number. It's an item, not a property!
{{reply_to|Podehaye}} Let me check I got this right:
{{reply_to|Podehaye}} Let me check I got this right:
* A qualifier would be a snak applied to a 'property snak'. A snak of an Item property.
* A qualifier would be a snak applied to a 'property snak'. A snak of an Item property.
Is this right? [[User:Alexbfree|Alexbfree]] ([[User talk:Alexbfree|talk]]) 17:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Is this right? [[User:Alexbfree|Alexbfree]] ([[User talk:Alexbfree|talk]]) 17:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
: {{reply_to|Alexbfree}} yes, except some sharpening and in bold the important bit: what you call a 'property snak' applies to an item to form together a 'statement'. What you call a 'qualifier' should for consistency be called a 'qualifier snak'. '''But that qualifier snak is not applied to a property snak, despite appearing so visually. To be more precise a qualifier snak is applied to the full statement.'''
== comments related to querying/graphing and the ultimate merging into a common model ==
== comments related to querying/graphing and the ultimate merging into a common model ==
{{reply_to|Podehaye}} I was just thinking about this some more. The ability to list and graph usages/related concepts is very powerful. I think something we could do soon is generate a query that lists all the objects of {{P|10}} snaks on ALL instances of {{Q|96}}. If possible gathering both the direct object text of those {{P|10}} properties - but also the {{P|27}} object text of all {{P|10}} properties as well. With this list, once Merge is fixed (maybe it already is?) we should be able to do some serious merging of related concepts (though we should be careful to add {{P|27}} qualifiers where they are absent so that no generated GDPR letter gets its output changed by the merging... [[User:Alexbfree|Alexbfree]] ([[User talk:Alexbfree|talk]]) 17:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
{{reply_to|Podehaye}} I was just thinking about this some more. The ability to list and graph usages/related concepts is very powerful. I think something we could do soon is generate a query that lists all the objects of {{P|10}} snaks on ALL instances of {{Q|96}}. If possible gathering both the direct object text of those {{P|10}} properties - but also the {{P|27}} object text of all {{P|10}} properties as well. With this list, once Merge is fixed (maybe it already is?) we should be able to do some serious merging of related concepts (though we should be careful to add {{P|27}} qualifiers where they are absent so that no generated GDPR letter gets its output changed by the merging... [[User:Alexbfree|Alexbfree]] ([[User talk:Alexbfree|talk]]) 17:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)